IRC log started Fri Dec 31 00:00:00 1999 anyone know of a fast site where star office can be had? would freshmeat do? [notice(TUNES)] permlog 1999.1231 -TUNES(tunes@bespin.dhs.org)- permlog 1999.1231 not off hand the download rate just keeps slowing to a trickle 12:10am -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- _ruiner_ [DIY@ppp118.wi.centurytel.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES ([x]chat) -:- SignOff _ruiner_: #TUNES (destroy what destroys you) -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Read error to hcf[me-portland-us704.javanet.com]: Connection reset by peer) -:- hcf_ [nef@me-portland-us947.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- hcf_ is now known as hcf hmm.. yeltsin has resigned 03:20am -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (Ping timeout for water[tnt-10-248.tscnet.net]) -:- prowlerII [mpeh@a90-p20-zg.tel.hr] has joined #tunes >>> prowlerII [mpeh@a90-p20-zg.tel.hr] requested VERSION from TUNES -:- prowlerII [mpeh@a90-p20-zg.tel.hr] has left #tunes [] -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for hcf[me-portland-us947.javanet.com]) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us947.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- Miellaby [root@ppp-44-23-51.wly.club-internet.fr] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff Miellaby: #TUNES (Disconnecting) -:- root [root@ppp-44-23-51.wly.club-internet.fr] has joined #tunes -:- root is now known as Miellaby Bonjour ist anyone there can tell me if my mIrc work ? allo? huuuu * Miellaby/#tunes is really alone it musn't work -:- SignOff Miellaby: #TUNES (Disconnecting) -:- Miellaby [root@ppp-44-23-51.wly.club-internet.fr] has joined #tunes help is anybody out there ? -:- SignOff Miellaby: #TUNES (Leaving) 06:10am -:- garden1 [garden1@ppp-44-23-51.wly.club-internet.fr] has joined #tunes hello? it has been said that hello is a multi-threaded operating system written in Standard ML and can be found at http://www.ics.hawaii.edu/~esb/prof/proj/hello/ is anyone hear me ? yep -:- garden1 is now known as Miellaby wow, it looks to work ! * Miellaby/#tunes is trying mIrc on Linux what're the last news about #tunes ? tunes.org front page has news items nothing much new since those ooooo yes yu right 06:20am I spent a night customind pppd, chat & so one. Please forgive me if I'm not very efficient today. allo ? ~~ -:- SignOff Miellaby: #TUNES (Leaving) hi oh well -:- Miel [garden1@ppp-44-23-51.wly.club-internet.fr] has joined #tunes allo ? -:- Miel is now known as Miellaby hello? hmmm... hello is a multi-threaded operating system written in Standard ML and can be found at http://www.ics.hawaii.edu/~esb/prof/proj/hello/ * Miellaby/#tunes doesnt hear anything am I becoming mad ? hi theres something strange w/ my mIrc client. 06:30am abi is a bot dumping info upon keyword matching ? hello? hello is a multi-threaded operating system written in Standard ML and can be found at http://www.ics.hawaii.edu/~esb/prof/proj/hello/ yes wow, this is funny hello? hello is a multi-threaded operating system written in Standard ML and can be found at http://www.ics.hawaii.edu/~esb/prof/proj/hello/ arf arf arf sorry ... ML? ML is a family of functional programming languages. SML and OCAML are two examples abi: help basically fascinating ... is it learning by itself ? hcf: happy new yaer. it "learns" by parsing stuff said, it learns 'is' and 'are' pairs hups bye bye -:- SignOff Miellaby: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: TUNES, Free Reflective Computing System || rewriting -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) 06:40am -:- Downix [down@d-gnaps-123.ici.net] has joined #tunes Hey, anyone else hear that Amiga is sold again? 10:00am -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (brb) -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #tunes -:- fire [no@209-68-229-34.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes hey fire, heard the news? no Amiga was sold, AGAIN D: bastards Was sold to Bill McEwan, w/o the patents 10:20am who is he? Former Amiga Inc. VP Sales is that a good or bad thing? Semi good Gateway kept all of the chips So they got a name and an OS so basically gateway got the legs and bill got the arms and they just started pulling? ;) Yup too bad Maybe, maybe not My hardware needs an OS and a name BuenOS 10:30am Hrm? tis the finest OS that WILL grace god's green earth :) Uh huh * Downix/#tunes has heard that before hehehe i bet it will be here before TUNES TUNES's goals do not dovetail with mine a cross-executable platform is not what I need no kernel? Did not say that BuenOS will be no kernel i hope but purposefully abstracting the software so that it'll run anywhere, while a nobile goal, will harm performance oh like byte code? Right bah i don't think cpus are fast enough to be ready for it yet I think CPU's are not the key to performance as in the amiga? As in any platform a CPU w/o a fast enough I/O is crippled Hi-Torro realized this when they made Amiga i mean specialized processors Yes, as in that specialized processors for I/O and other necessary work will make any CPU seem faster, just because of the reduced latency 10:40am Anyways My company just got an option to use Alpha over MIPS excellent :) Which would not take any time to instigate a change, they are similar enough as/is Of course being Alpha we'd get a HUGE speed benefit 10:50am But we'd loose some of our cross-platform benefit However, i OWN an Alpha to develop with already hehe ... But let's see how hard it is to licence Alpha uh oh Well, since Compaq's no longer in control of Alpha, I may be able to 11:00am Let's see how licencing goes With MIPS it's a pain let's hope alpha is easier me too so i can profit from your ideas ;) hehe, yup Emailing an inquiry now 11:10am hmm Can't find an address to mail them call em On the 31st of December? i see I'll try on monday 11:30am -:- phoe [www.spedia@host62-172-219-71.btinternet.com] has joined #tunes Hey phoe hiya m8 Welcome to where I talk about Eddas the most and who`s eddas ? Eddas is the chipset's code-name ahh So Phoe, welcome to the tunes project wouldn`t it be faster to adopt a `working` os with gui at this stage ? No although I realise that could cause probs with some things Well, faster development, but not faster OS that`s kinda what I was aiming towards... at least keeping it `in house` you can customise the way it`s orientated, dir structure etc * Downix/#tunes nods Actually we're out-sourcing for the OS and if the gui system is simple and relatively open ended, it could be customised easily a la Amiga since the OS we're planning on is being developed by core (his nick on here) for his company He says it will be Amiga-like are you using any sort of basis for the dir structure ? the core OS is already Amiga-like ie. the best and most simple to manage i`ve ever seen is the... Amiga... Right now we're using FAT, but that's due to it's simplicity in implimenting We'll make a better file structure in time the actual IO processes can be altered probably very easily * Downix/#tunes nods I mean the actual `layout` for storing the files used by the OS BTW, anything you say here is logged should I be worried yet ? ;-) Well, the file system used is to be a plug-in library anyways Nah Right now I'm testing Clementine on my PC tho it's primitive, but a lot of potential the mig uses what are essentially a collection of replaceable libs, and it makes it very easy to update, allowing backwards compatibility and future development But I have other options, people keep pitching OS ideas at me * Downix/#tunes nods, exactly * phoe/#tunes isn`t keen on the idea that a lib under unix can clash with an older lib used by other progs you may need * Downix/#tunes is not either Clementine is Amiga-like in many ways I've found through testing it 11:50am at the end of the day, simplicity is usually more elegant and updatable long-term, as well as often being more efficient * Downix/#tunes nods Which is the point behind my hardware Downix: guess i`d better start learning C huh :-} Nah I'm designing the simulator in LISP I decided Easier to program than C what are the odds of the coder giving up on the project leaving it high and dry ? ie. if work commitments get in the way Quite likelyt that`s another area I can envisage problems Oh, you ment in Clementine yeah clem... No, his company is making it, he will not ahhhh who`s he work for ? suntech http://www.suntech.fr doh a frenchie we english hate the french... Why? they blockade ports set fire to trucks uh, ok he just codes an OS i`ll let him off them then lol BTW, if JokerD dead? is I mean I think so yeah I never did backup his website... someone else did tho I think ok Oh well Right now I'm pondering the I/O system I finally finished sound how are you going to work it ? external add ons, or internal handling ? both USB and Firewire internally with a local bus slot (very primitive one) to expand it externally 12:00pm so how is it going to work ? onboard cpu to handle basic, say 16 bit sound, external for anything more ? Plus expantion off of the major sections of the chipset (audio/video) for other purposes what are you looking at now for the video side of things ? onboard CPU, 24-bit sound, 48-bit video output, basic 3D system 48-bit input/output for video based on existing video hardware, or developing new h/w ? New h/w I know you were looking (under linux) to do 1920*whatever and emulate "downwards" in s/ware We've made a much more elegant idea now variable screen sizes controlled through software well m8, if I win a million in the lottery tonight, you`ve got some funding :-) hehe, sure We shifted a lot of things off of the internal chipset to an external ASIC like the D to A conversion for the audio right, it`s getting late(ish) here now, and me and the missus promised to spend some time together Alright, see you around so i`m best heading off for a bit * Downix/#tunes waves happy new year :-) you too bye :D see you in the next millenium I guess (assuming you count this year, and not next as the start of it...) * Downix/#tunes nods cyaaaaaaa ! ok -:- phoe [www.spedia@host62-172-219-71.btinternet.com] has left #tunes [] 12:10pm in like two hours fufie will be in y2k 12:20pm -:- _BC [dontcha@ptai01m01-29.bctel.ca] has joined #tunes -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp219.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes eihrul, can you help me? * fire/#tunes bows to the insane one 12:30pm Downix: with? eihrul: I found out that Compaq's given control of the Alpha CPU to another company, for licencing et all, can't find out what that companies name is Alpha would be a good replacement for MIPS in my system design, possibly * eihrul/#tunes seems to remember something weird like alpha, inc. I found an Alpha Processor, Inc but that seems to be producing chips and mobo's I emailed them anyways, to ask http://www.alpha-processor.com Ok, I got the lowdown they sell chips not the design dammit * Downix/#tunes was hopeful MIPS is a pain to licence 12:40pm Ahh well, it's what we can do Unless a better solution shows up, MIPS is the best * Downix/#tunes was hopeful for a better solution I always am 12:50pm Whoah, I'm a score 2 on /. now! go me! 2 isn't saying much Well, better than my 1 before I'm "interesting" you have to annoy a moderator for making an intelligent post and get moderated down to 0 s/for/by why? * eihrul/#tunes shrugs. * Downix/#tunes can't believe that he is "insightful" read my comment? are you? Yes, but first time they used that word for me on /. -:- _BC [dontcha@ptai01m01-29.bctel.ca] has left #tunes [] I commented in the one about Amiga 01:10pm hmm AQUA....... -:- SignOff fire: #TUNES (Ping timeout for fire[209-68-229-34.dialup.cust.tfb.com]) 01:20pm -:- SignOff Downix: #TUNES (BitchX: roqz yer nutz!) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us1014.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial819.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes Shalom! 7:55 PM here 02:00pm y2k here -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Kaufmann[dial819.infolink.com.br]) 02:10pm -:- air [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes can anyone tell me howto use awk or something else to get the first word of the last line in an output 02:50pm i know howto use awk to get the word from a line but not the last line nm 03:00pm how disappointing.. no loss of power.. no war.. no accidental nuclear missiles.. ahh.. better get back to the party.. y2k is disappointing so far.. haha hype.. pure hype ok.. 2038 next then.. thatll be the good one i think the unix world should not fix it and let the internet crash 03:30pm that'll ruin your chance to sit on irc and say "what'd I say"... :p heh happy new year :) i still have 21 hours before y2k here 03:40pm * eihrul/#tunes hmms. NOW!!!! 04:00pm what is now? abi: now? eihrul: bugger all, i dunno damn .. the end of the world didn't come * eihrul/#tunes ponders. * Fufie/#tunes is disappointed with y2k and the party you went to a party? :P * eihrul/#tunes is going to spend midnight reading the rest of "On Lisp." I am at a party, but I have geeked out, and logged on my machine at home which has irc screened ;) btw: how do we write dates now? 1/1/00? looks weird 1/1/100? 0.01 we might as well start the calendar from 1900... eih: yes.. I like that one I am used to that system or you can do like abi and write 0.01 abi: 1/1/00? division by zero :) oh well.. someone else want the computer to read newspapers.. bbl.. eihrul: u suck, i have to goto a party -:- fire [no@209-68-229-37.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes happy new year fufie, fare and smkl 04:10pm fire: are u staying home or going to a party? staying home :) u suck too yes i do uh what are you doing in salt lake? gonna go blow up a power plant good for you well im being drug out now so i gotta go cya next year ok don't do anything i wouldn't do :D have fun 04:20pm air: haha, get out of the party then #tunes is a party ;) * fire/#tunes breaks out the cyber booze make sure its reflective cyber booze 04:30pm gah, vi is so annoying why have people not taken to vim yet? -:- SignOff fire: #TUNES (Ping timeout for fire[209-68-229-37.dialup.cust.tfb.com]) 04:40pm -:- fire [no@209-68-229-43.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes damnit 04:50pm back happy new yar fufie happy new year fire :) it's what 1 in norwey? en ehh.. it's 2am it isn't 2000 yet here 7 hours to go 2000 is disappointing anyway.. no war, no power-failure, no fun.. hopefully the US will screw up badly 05:00pm yeah.. it's all up to the US now www.eff.org was hax0red ... did you see that? read it on the register.. was fixed when I checked * eihrul/#tunes finds editing in vi over telnet over a lagged connection profusely annoying. i think some scandinavians were responsible ;) scandinavians like EFF.. it was probably NSA or the DVD-guys augh.. noone killed in Oslo either.. though the emergency-stations are filled with people hit by fireworks hehehe it will be a dull millenium.. I know it it would suck to die today if you were to choose a date, I am sure such a symbolic day would be nice true 05:10pm * Fufie/#tunes yawns only country that seems t have problems is Gambia they say: Work is progressing but HELP WILL BE APPRECIATED FROM GAMBIANS ABROAD AND other interested agencies in procuring the needed hardware and software and meeting the cost of installation. a bit late to start y2k work maybe.. http://europa.eu.int/iy2kcc/country/GAMBIA.html 05:20pm -:- napapfm [pfm@dialup-166.90.40.228.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net] has joined #tunes -:- napapfm [pfm@dialup-166.90.40.228.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net] has left #tunes [] -:- hcf has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: TUNES, Free Reflective Computing System || rewriting -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf_ [nef@me-portland-us931.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- hcf_ is now known as hcf hmmm * eihrul/#tunes needs a way for caching certain values in a weighted tree, where at each node its value is the sum of all the children's values multiplied by their respective weight, divided by the sum of all their weights. but i need a way to some how mark all the parent nodes of a given node as dirty so they can be recalculated later (the nodes are random access) since going back up the tree recalculating values is very expensive 06:00pm im leaving now happy new year all -:- SignOff fire: #TUNES (Leaving) 06:20pm -:- yoo [pope@user-38lcmot.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes muahaha 06:30pm -:- yoo is now known as ultima -:- SignOff ultima: #TUNES (Ping timeout for ultima[user-38lcmot.dialup.mindspring.com]) -:- mibin [mibin@62.11.105.147] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff mibin: #TUNES (Ping timeout for mibin[62.11.105.147]) ho hum 08:10pm abi: FME is Formal Methods Europe at http://www.csr.ncl.ac.uk/projects/FME/ 09:00pm -:- Downix [down@d-gnaps-87.ici.net] has joined #tunes mm 09:10pm hoy Downix hoy hcf sup? I'm alive and it's 2000 hcf: do u live in ME? air: yep hcf is in Maine hcf: was there an explosion? * Downix/#tunes can even tell you where his ISP is located yep, the entire state is gone, blown to bits air: The explosion was in New Hampshire, almost. The cops diffused the bomb a few hours ago Rumors of an explosion in Kennebunkport, ME. * Downix/#tunes is serious It's gone over the police scanner air: Wow, I hope they got the Bush estate! anyone notice the downages of .de sites? hcf: Several * Downix/#tunes gets out his glasses to look for flying flaming Bush family members Oh man, an .lu site I go to died lu? I have no idea what country that it is luxembourg 09:20pm has there been any news for shit happening? alright s/for/of/ Nope the news agency I was going to check on for it is the site that died hehe -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-128-179.s179.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes Hey Al! Welcome to post-the-end-of-the-world Everybody still alive in here ;) No, we're ghosts aaah... well I must be the dark angel. I tell you, if Heaven does not have the internet, I'm not going 8) me neither. It looks like a branch of my world domination plans will get underweigh soon. I also might get a new printer in a few days... lol ok, cool then I'll take a good whack at specifying that blasted spec... Hmm the milloonium will hit StLouis next. alright -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) Geesh! What spec? According to his mailing list for SphereOS, he's been trying to make it for a year Hell, I see Tunes getting done faster than his OS 09:30pm -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-128-179.s179.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes yeah... reeeaaaaallllllyyyyy tired now. I feel sorry for Peter jennings... he's on a caffine IV at the moment.