IRC log started Tue Sep 21 00:00:00 1999
<lar1> liar:  And that exactly how I had it :) cool!  my code is QZ conforment
[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0921
<lar1> MMMMRRRRAAHAHAHH!  I have got to go to bed
<liar> ok i finished the history
<liar> code
<lar1> That was my job!
<liar> jk
<lar1> Heh, good.
<lar1> Good night all
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* eihrul/#tunes must find this phantom thread migration paper.
<eihrul> liar: hrmmmish, i almost think i need to completely rewrite EMK again :)
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<liar> eihrul: hehe
<liar> we got a problem
<liar> with the history
<liar> it wont keep track thru a go
<liar> since bochs doesnt display instructions 
<eihrul> right now i'm just looking for a damned paper :)
<eihrul> is the history lost?
<eihrul> er wait...
<eihrul> i don't see that as a problem
<eihrul> if people want a history, they can use step
<eihrul> as it's really only useful for debugging small routines and the like interactively
<eihrul> that's the reason i suggested it...
<liar> k
12:10am
<eihrul> the only bad thing about doors is that if i rewrote the kernel to support them
<liar> doors?
<eihrul> thread migration :)
<liar> ah
<eihrul> is that i'd have to separate the stack and kernel record
<eihrul> but it is cool in that it's completely non-blocking 
<liar> hmm
<liar> i should do that in brix
<eihrul> isn't brix messaging already sort of similar?
<liar> ya but i create a thread
<liar> i could just create a second thread entry and copy over the client thread into it
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<liar> and point the entry in the run queue to the new thread
<eihrul> i fail to see how that's any different
<liar> that would be tons faster than allocating stack space and waiting for the server thread to get scheduled
<eihrul> as you need to create that second thread :)
<eihrul> as you're supposed to allocate a second stack :)
<liar> plus i dont have to do any argument copying
<liar> why do i need a second stack?
<eihrul> security
<eihrul> the server could do all sorts of nasty things to the client's stack
<liar> hmm
<eihrul> so in conclusion, your messaging model is basically thread migration :)
<liar> bummer
<eihrul> yah
12:20am
<liar> are u able to access the xforms page
<liar> crap im going to bed
<liar> cya
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<liar> anyone know a kernel.org mirror?
02:10pm
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<Tril> liar can't find the list?
<liar> i found it
02:30pm
<Tril> i use ftp.linux.locus.halcyon.com, it's 6 hops from bespin
<liar> do u know where a page is that tells what each patch fixes?
<AlonzoTG> I can't get linux to connect to my ISP
<AlonzoTG> =(
<Tril> yes i'll get that
<liar> oh the only page on kernel.org that works right now says ftp.country.kernel.org where country is a 2 character code
<Tril> http://edge.kernelnotes.org
<liar> thanks
<liar> how do i apply patches?
<Tril> cd linux; gzip -dc /some/where/patch.gz|patch -p1
<liar> dc?
<Tril> gzip -d  = gunzip
<Tril> -c = decompress to stdout, dont change the file
<liar> does bz2 have that?
<Tril> by cd'ing then -p1 your linux dir can be named whatever you want
<Tril> yes, bzip2 works the same way
02:40pm
<liar> The next patch would create the file `drivers/block/DAC960.c',
<liar> which already exists!  Assume -R? [n] 
<liar> what is -R?
<Tril> what version of the source are you patching against
<Tril> and what is the patch file name?
<liar> 2.27
<liar> 2.2.7
<liar> and im on the 2.2.11 patch
<Tril> you have to apply the patches in order
<liar> i am
<Tril> if you have 2.2.7 you must start with patch-2.2.8
<liar> i did
<Tril> patch -R goes from the new version assuming you applied the patch, and basically applies the patch backwards to get the old version
<Tril> if you get that, there's a problem in the patch file, or you applied the same patch twice
<liar> i didnt
<Tril> or you can just say no and it will probably work :P
<Tril> what version of patch do you have
<liar> Apply anyway? [n] 
<liar> 2.5
<Tril> i dont know ,take a guess, 
<liar> crap now im getting errors up the butt
<Tril> uncomrpses the patch-2.2.11 and tell me how big it is
<liar> 6244884
<Tril> same as mine I didnt have a problem
<AlonzoTG> om
<liar> i only got errors on about 5-10 files in the blocks dir
<AlonzoTG> I need a calling convention.
<Tril> start over and answer te "apply patch anyway" with the other answer 
<liar> what other answer
<Tril> the one you didnt select the time when it had errors!
02:50pm
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<liar> i sure hope smp is better in 2.2.12
<eihrul> smp is cheesy
<liar> whatever
<Tril> cpu's are cheesy
<eihrul> indeed
<eihrul> a hack upon a hack
03:00pm
<liar> Tril: what is yer brilliant idea to replace em?
<Tril> why replace them, who needs computers?
<liar> damnit
<liar> this is fucked up bad
<liar> my mouse cursor is moving about 1 pixel per 10 seconds
<liar> and my kernel stopped compiling
<Tril> how much swap is free
<eihrul> it prevents you from writing buggy code, it's a good thing...
<Tril> linux gets hosed if it runs out of swap
<Tril> or if you take a floppy disk out while it's mounted
<eihrul> how often does one do that?
<eihrul> aside from the first time?
<Tril> oh, i meant if a floppy disk has an error on it too
<liar> all of it
<liar> top says im 95% idle
<liar> but uptime says 0.98
<Tril> uptime is the average for the last 1 minute
<Tril> top is probably since the last top refresh
<eihrul> hrmm, is core likely to come in here today?
<eihrul> or does he only do so rarely?
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<brand> heh my load is off the scale
<brand> i cant even type on p0wer anymore
<Tril> eihrul he's online ICQ..go bug him there (or ask him to join irc)
<Tril> 1153070 core
03:10pm
<eihrul> he won't mind?
<brand> ugh its so loaded i cant kill anything or reboot it 
<Tril> why would someone mind being contacted on icq, that's waht it's for. if someone doesnt want to be contacted they will not use it, or set their status N/A.  Or more likely, just ignore the msg..
<brand> i need a socket that if accessed it reboots :)
<eihrul> tril: licq does not have many of those pleasures
<Tril> huh?
<Tril> licq has all the features afaik
<Tril> it has chatting
<eihrul> not ignoring messages
<Tril> I didnt mean in the software.
<Tril> I meant he would just not answer
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<eihrul> that's cheap... that's the whole point of a software ignore feature
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<brand> suck, i had to take p0wer from 550mhz to 460 :(
<eihrul> what do you need 550 for, anyway?
<brand> atleast i still get my 2 pengiuns at boot
<brand> to make E and gnome run fast
* eihrul/#tunes cackles.
<eihrul> is that not an oxymoron of sorts?
03:20pm
<brand> i need to move oneofmy hdds to my server so it dont take forever to check my drives after a crash
<brand> wonderful, gnome/E wont start 
<eihrul> they're just running so fast you can't see them
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<liar> i need to get rid of gnome right now
<liar> know of any good lite weight button bars?
<liar> would the afterstep wharf thing run in E?
<eihrul> probably not
<eihrul> far as i know, it's integrated into the window manager itself
<eihrul> there was actually one, of which i can't seem to remember the name of...
<eihrul> it was something to the effect of "xwce"
<liar> Mem:  257592K av, 250772K used,   6820K free,  41864K shrd, 184068K buff
<liar> Swap: 104384K av,    548K used, 103836K free                 25792K cached
<eihrul> sheesh
<liar> im using swap and i just barely booted and im running e/gnome, panel and bx
<eihrul> you'd figure you were running walnut creek or something
<liar> heh
03:30pm
<liar> hmm isnt depmod -a suppose to make my module.dep file thing?
<eihrul> yep
<liar> it didnt
03:50pm
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<liar> yes! 2.2.12 fixed the udma problem
04:10pm
<liar> eihrul: u here?
<eihrul> yes
04:30pm
<liar> bochs doesnt display all the bytes for some instructions like lss and the other segments
<liar> can u think of anything else that bochs says unfinsihed for?
<eihrul> eh?
<liar> u know how bochs displays the instruction bytes before the instruction string?
<eihrul> and?
<abi> i think and is a savings of two chracters as well
<liar> and how we used the size of those bytes to determine the next address used by the next button
<liar> well if u press next on lss it wont see the breakpoint cuz the instruction is longer than 2 bytes like bochs says
<liar> im adding code to detect those instruction and use step instead of next
<liar> just wondering if u can think of any other instruction that might be like that
<eihrul> why doesn't bochs display the full instruction?
<liar> its unfinished
<liar> (0) 0000:7c95: 0fb2: lss *** Mp() unfinished ***
<liar> (0) 0000:7c9a: 30f6: xor DH, DH
<liar> see how the address changed by more than 2 bytes?
<liar>         lss sp,[stack_addr]
<liar>         xor dh,dh                       ; set head to 0
<eihrul> yes, have fun :)
<eihrul> i'm outta here for a little
<liar> cya
04:40pm
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<Zhivago> oh, that front-end's dl was broken last I looked
<liar> huh?
<Zhivago> liar: bfe, the download was 12k last I looked
<Zhivago> liar: a broken tar
<liar> -rw-rw-r--   1 brand    brand       13216 Sep 21 18:16 ../bfe-test-dl.tgz
<liar> worked fine
<liar> did u want to dl it?
<Zhivago> liar: ahh, you've fixed it
<liar> this is a newer version that's not on the page 
<Zhivago> liar: cool, looks very nifty compared to the bochs debugger interface :)
<liar> heh
<liar> thanks
<Zhivago> will be more useful once I get 1st class functions, and can start writing isrs
<liar> u think i should announce it to the bochs developer list now or wait until all the small glitches are fixed?
<Zhivago> well, I've never used it so I can't really judge
<Zhivago> release early/often seems a good general strategy though
<liar> k
05:20pm
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<liar> Zhivago: u here?
<Zhivago> only in a small sense
<liar> u know anything about realloc?
<Zhivago> sure
<liar> tmp = (struct mem_struct *) realloc (memlist, sizeof(struct mem_struct *) * (++nr_strucs));
<liar> sifeof() is always 4, nr_strucs goes from 0 to 5 and it seg faults on 5
<liar> so its segfaulting when realloc(memlist, 24)
<liar> any idea why?
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07:00pm
<Zhivago> well, you pribably mean sizeof(struct mem_struct)
<Zhivago> or to return a struct mem_struct**
<liar> its eihrul's code
<liar> i cant figure out how it works
<Zhivago> well, it doesn't look clean
<Zhivago> it looks like he's trying to extend a vector of struct mem_struct's
<Zhivago> in which case you'd want a
<Zhivago> tmp = (struct mem_struct *)realloc(memlist, sizeof(struct mem_struct)*(++nr_strucs));
<liar> that didnt work either
<liar> oh wait
<Zhivago> work is such a bad word when there's so little information
<liar> it did work
<Zhivago> good
07:10pm
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<liar> hello happy
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07:30pm
<Zhivago> hmm, do you know if the ide code in reto works? I haven't actually gotten around to testing it yet
<liar> i think pyro said it does work
<Zhivago> oh good
08:10pm
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<lar1> Hey
<lar1> liar:  Where do you call all yer update functions?
<lar1> liar: (in BFE)
09:40pm
<liar> hey
<liar> why?
<liar> oh btw i couldnt wait for u to get here today so i wrote the history
<lar1> I need to put the update history function somwhere
<lar1> Heh, right...
<lar1> "Thats my job!"
<liar> well i wanted to start using it on brix
<liar> and u werent here
<liar> i also fixed up some other things
<lar1> See, the thing about you is I can almost never tell if you are serious or not...
<liar> added config items
<lar1> Ok, send it over I guess
<liar> i just need to fix this bug in the config
<liar> when i change fields it calls the callback and if the field is empty it changes the value to something weird
<liar> its suppose to only call when i press enter
<lar1> Ok
<liar> just need to fix that and the remove breakpoint bug and i will post it to the bochs developer list
<lar1> And freshmeat?
10:00pm
<lar1> Ewwwww
<liar> i dont care about freshmeat
<lar1> I don't like the history
<liar> why not?
<lar1> liar:  Ok, then I'll post it there unless you don't want me to
<liar> u can post it
<lar1> liar:  Go.... Go....
<liar> what about it
<lar1> And it doesn't work
<liar> what doesnt work?
<lar1> It just gives me the first instruction and the last
<lar1> history
<liar> it works
<liar> what did u press?
<liar> bbi2m need water
<lar1> History works if I step through
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<lar1> If I press go, and then stop a bit later, it shows only the first and last instruction
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<liar> uhh ya
<liar> i cant pull instructions from my ass
<liar> bochs doesnt send any instructions on a go
<liar> history is only needed for stepping
<liar> go means u dont care about the instructions between
<lar1> hmm, you should add a feture that makes bfe step, step, step, setp rapidly
<liar> have u read the todo file in any of the tarballs?
<lar1> The old ones
<liar> step-lock and next-lock has been in most of them
<lar1> Hmm, well then I didn't know what those were
<liar> they are even in the config now
10:10pm
<lar1> ok :)
<liar> ok the config bug is fixed
<lar1> good
<liar> ok just need to fix the remove button
<liar> weird
<liar> it will remove any breakpoint as long as it aint the first one in the list
<liar> er as long as it aint the top of the list
<liar> oh crap
10:20pm
<lar1> ?
<liar> i know why it dont work
<lar1> ok
<liar> ok fixed
<liar> ready t publish
<liar> well maybe ill fix the memory output real quick
<lar1> Ok, send over the final copy and I'll post to freshmeat
<liar> did u find out anything on the resize problem?
<lar1> No, I was working on history and now I am doing sothing else, I  assumed you were working on that
10:30pm
<liar> wtf
<liar> bochs help has 'g' as an 8byte memory dump size so i added a nice button in bfe for it
<liar> go try it
<liar> the Q unit size
<liar> oops
<liar> D and B segfault
<lar1> try what now?
<liar> dump memory with the Q pressed
<liar> QWord
<lar1> ok, hold on
<lar1> ah, it works
<lar1> nevermind
<liar> what?
<liar> u should get an error that bochs doesnt support 8byte
<lar1> Yup
<liar> ok im gonna take a screenshot and upload the newest version
<liar> then u can spam freshmeat
<lar1> ok :)
10:40pm
<lar1> I'll submit it tomarrow
<lar1> I got to sleep now
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