IRC log started Sat Feb  6 00:00:00 1999
[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0206
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<Fare> abi?
<abi> yes, Fare?
05:30am
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<Fare> burp
08:30am
-netgod(johnie@209.224.138.190)- [GlobalNotice] Lilo, the founder of this network, moments ago forked off a new version, lilo 2.0 -- a 9 month joint effort with his wife Deb.  The new release is a boy, named "Benjamin Levin" and currently weights 6lb 7ounces.
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<Tril> I just fixed the irc logs
<hcf> ther was a prob w/ them?
<Tril> I added to 1999.0204
<Tril> that's all I did. It was missing the log from 20:00 and up because I rebooted the machine
12:20pm
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<Fare> gakuk!
<Tril> hi far
<Tril> e
01:50pm
<Fare> Hum. Still Writing my article for Reflection'99
<Fare> Have you read a draft of it, already?
<Fare> ~fare/fare/lambdaND.tex
<Fare> (.dvi or .ps available if you request)
<Fare> (or compile)
<Tril> not yet
<Fare> well, currently only the first half is somehow consistent
<Fare> (first 3 sections, including introduction)
02:00pm
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<lar1> Hi
<Fare> lo
<lar1> I need help with X... I have RH 5.1 and a Laptop with 2 Mb of vram.  I get into X at 800x600x8bit and I get lines at the very bottom of the vurtiuial desktop... I can run at 640x480x8bit just fine... any ideas?
06:40pm
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<lar1> Can someone _please_ help me on that... I've RTFM and I can't seem to solve it.
06:50pm
<_QZ> what
<_QZ> what kinda lines
<Fare> lar1: what chipset?
<Fare> how big is the virtual desktop?
<Fare> why not make it 800x600, and use a virtual wm instead?
07:00pm
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<lar1> Trident Cyber 9382
<lar1> Is the chipset
<lar1> I don't kow the virtual desktop size... how/where can I change that?
07:10pm
<lar1> _QZ: What do you mean?  Slightly slanted horizontal lines, I guess.
07:20pm
<_QZ> do they go away when u scroll the desktop?
<lar1> No
<lar1> They are only at the very bottom
<_QZ> probably just a bug in the X server for that chipset
<lar1> If I select a differnet amount of video memory the lines move higher
<_QZ> get a new X server
<lar1> A new version of xfree86?  Or a different server?
<_QZ> whatever
<lar1> Ok
<_QZ> does accelX support yer chipset?
<lar1> I dunno
<_QZ> www.xig.com go check
<lar1> Doesn't accelX cost a lot of money?
<_QZ> ya unless u get it from someone
<lar1> Do you have it?
<_QZ> i have ax4.1 but i dont think ax has lx drivers
<lar1> lx drivers?
<_QZ> ax=desktop, lx=laptop
<lar1> ah
<_QZ> its also 18meg
<_QZ> gzip'd
<lar1> And my computer is not listed supported
<lar1> The chipset is...
<_QZ> well i now know exactly what brix will be
<lar1> Cool
<hcf> _QZ: dont u say that every 3 months? ;)
<_QZ> and it will be even cooler than what i thought
07:40pm
<_QZ> hcf: no, i mean i know EXACTLY what it will be like
<hcf> oh ok
<_QZ> down to every little detail
<_QZ> there is absolutely no doubt now
<_QZ> the kernel is almost 100% finished
<_QZ> i will probably use a vesa frame buffer for gfx so everyone can use the first release
<_QZ> and i need to write sound blaster support
<_QZ> hcf: u know anything about sound?
<hcf> nope
<_QZ> wanna learn? :)
<hcf> wasnt some dude back on #asm gonna do a snd drv for u?
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<_QZ> who? and those guys were so freakin lazy
<_QZ> they werent real coders
<_QZ> none of them even coded asm
<hcf> i know, i know
<_QZ> cept secret
<hcf> maybe it was a text drv, i dont recall exactly
<_QZ> heat was gonna do gfx drivers but he was too lazy
<_QZ> i have a driver to change to any vga mode
<_QZ> using io
<hcf> why r u bothering w/ snd rite now?
<_QZ> cuz when u fire up the first release and hear/see brix u will die
<_QZ> imagine abi in an OS and abi can TALK
<_QZ> :)
<hcf> speech is slow
<_QZ> damnit i spiled the surprise
<_QZ> spoiled
<_QZ> how is speech slow?
<hcf> interface-wise cmp'd to text
<_QZ> it will have text also
<_QZ> for the hearing impaired
<hcf> for an additional price rite?
<_QZ> eh?
<_QZ> it displays text while its talking
07:50pm
<hcf> a supplemental cd to the impaired
<hcf> s/to/for/
<_QZ> and when i get voice recognition then it will be really kewl
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08:00pm
<_QZ> another section complete
<_QZ> 6.4k kernel
<hcf> massive bloat :P
<_QZ> ha
<_QZ> actually it is kinda bloated
<_QZ> i found i out i can get more work done if i dont optimize as much while coding
<_QZ> i will go back after its finished and optimize it down to 1k
08:40pm
<_QZ> another section complete
<_QZ> the code is flyin outta my fingers tonight
08:50pm
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<tcn> what's up guys?
<hcf> little
<tcn> anyone looked at Oberon?
<tcn> abi, oberon?
<abi> tcn: wish i knew
<hcf> abi: oberon is at http://www.oberon.ethz.ch
<hcf> tcn: _QZ has i think
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<tcn> haha
09:30pm
<_QZ> hey
<_QZ> tcn: u like oberon?
<_QZ> hcf: u gonna watch voyager: dark frontier?
<tcn> I haven't seen much of oberon yet.. you?
<tcn> It's Niklaus Wirth's latest project, right?
<_QZ> uhh
<_QZ> latest? well sorta
<_QZ> its been out for like 5 years
<tcn> Pascal, Modula, Oberon...
<_QZ> i love oberon
<_QZ> however it does have flaws
<_QZ> a) oberon is based on modula
<hcf> _QZ: voyager: dark frontier?
<_QZ> hcf: motion picture on tv
<hcf> when?
<_QZ> 17feb
<_QZ> the borg take back 7
<hcf> why havnt i seen ads for it?
<_QZ> its on upn man
<hcf> yeah
<hcf> man
<_QZ> u gotta watch upn
<tcn> the borg are in it? that could be cool. I haven't seen star trek in years :)
<hcf> anyway
<hcf> <--afk
<tcn> So what else is wrong with oberon?
09:40pm
<_QZ> b) it should be persistent but it isnt
<_QZ> c) lack of easy customizing
<_QZ> d) all its UI's kinda suck
<_QZ> note on C: u can customize it like add commands everywhere really easy but im talking about stuff like changing the color from blinding white to soothing black :)
<tcn> that sucks..
<tcn> The language and the module system look kinda interesting though
<_QZ> not really
<_QZ> oberon is not much more than modula2
<tcn> (* that's a good way to do comments *)
<tcn> Almost as good as ( .. )
<_QZ> what i like the most about oberon is that u can type commands anywhere
<tcn> like Forth
<_QZ> i dont like the fact that u can close every pane and not be able to shutdown or open new panes
<tcn> ack, it looks like Pascal though.. I hate that := shit!
<_QZ> pascal == modula == modula2 == oberon
<tcn> I don't really care about GUI's either. As long as it's fast & easy.
<_QZ> hahahah
09:50pm
<_QZ> its UI is not easy
<tcn> yeah, I meant other OS's :)
<tcn> the ideal OS, that is.
<_QZ> it is alot different than existing Ui's and takes some getting use to
<_QZ> now the brix ui is a perfect UI :)
<_QZ> very easy and very powerful
<tcn> My favorite UI is where you hit 1 key for each action.. could be a text menu.
<_QZ> imagine something like abi, but much better, embedded in the UI
<_QZ> and context based
<tcn> If you can do that with text input, it would kick ass when speech recognition becomes more practical.
<_QZ> u can say "goto brix" and it can open the brix web page
<_QZ> u can say "send textdoc to brix" and it will email the textdoc to brix@qzx.com
<tcn> Isn't that like DOS?
<_QZ> hahah NO
<_QZ> it understands english
<_QZ> when it doesnt understand u tell it how
<tcn> I mean, if you don't want it to be retarded like abi, you need to figure out how to do true AI... hehe
<_QZ> if it doesnt know howto send to brix then u say "brix is brix@qzx.com" and it knows how
<_QZ> it knows things
<_QZ> like an url is not an email addy
<tcn> hmm.. so it's like a text adventure game, right?
<tcn> Parses simple english
<_QZ> and it can build a dbase for a name with different fields
<tcn> what the hell, go for it.
<_QZ> its not as dumb as abi
<_QZ> i said 'like abi'
<tcn> does it work yet?
<_QZ> ya im using it right now
10:00pm
<_QZ> brix runs the irc stream thru its irc filter which converts into text that goes into a document template that has 4 text sub-objects
<tcn> Anyway, Oberon isn't better than what I'm working on. Whew :)
<_QZ> one of those 4 sub objects is read by the irc filter when it changes and the filter sends that to the server
<_QZ> true document centric system
<tcn> I thought you didn't have networking done yet
<_QZ> ya i have a tcpip stal
<_QZ> stack
<tcn> all written in ASM?
<_QZ> no
<_QZ> its written in brix
<tcn> which is like OO forth?
<_QZ> no
<_QZ> its like plain english
<tcn> you're full of shit :)
<_QZ> no im not
<_QZ> x is a byte
<_QZ> x equals 1
<_QZ> while x is less than 100 do
<_QZ>   add 1 to x
<_QZ>   put x in textdoc
<tcn> textdoc??
<_QZ> end
<tcn> ok
<_QZ> textdoc is a text object
<_QZ> forgot that
<tcn> heh
<tcn> textdoc?
<abi> it has been said that textdoc is a text object
<_QZ> i was assuming textdoc was already visible on the desktop
<tcn> forget textdoc
<abi> tcn: I forgot textdoc
<_QZ> ab is stupid
<_QZ> oops
<_QZ> abi is stupid
<_QZ> ab?
<abi> it has been said that ab is stupid
<_QZ> forget ab
<abi> _QZ: I forgot ab
<tcn> Hey, how do foreigners use Brix?
<_QZ> alias filters
<_QZ> if u look at the brix internal docs u will see i have already added that
<_QZ> all keys are stored as english but aliases allow u to map tons of words to a single key
10:10pm
<_QZ> those words can be english or any other unicode'able language
<_QZ> text objects are unicode
<tcn> hey, if you want the persistent store to be fast, why don't you use a hash table or b-tree instead of a list?
10:20pm
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<Kor> hi ho
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<Kor> hi ho
<KeLp> hey
<KeLp> what up?
<abi> nuthin'....
<Kor> converting icons to png, from tif and xpm, woohoo!
<KeLp> I'm still recovering from last nights crazyness
<KeLp> we had a keger here
<KeLp> I was up till 7:30AM
11:50pm
<Kor> ill brb
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<KeLp> yo
<Kor> when I shirnk the gnome toolbar, enlightenment forgets it should be sticky and it only sticks to one desktop :/ so i have to restart E & panel
<KeLp> suck
<KeLp> I haven't used e or any gnome stuff in a long time
<KeLp> I'm starting to like really lite window managers
<KeLp> like blackbox
<Kor> I know what u mean... I Like gnome though, its pretty koo now
<Kor> E isnt too bad though, it uses aboutthe same amount of memory as bash 2.02, hehe
<KeLp> nice
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