IRC log started Thu Jan 21 00:00:01 1999
[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0121
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<s720> hi everyone
<s720> ideally, I need a list of descriptions of the object models used by different languages.
<s720> like single/multipple inheritance.
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10:40am
<Fare> sdfsdf
<Fare> s720: get the book on Objects by Abadi and Cardelli, then!
<Fare> s720: or pick their articles on the web
<Fare> you must also learn about the CLOS/CECIL/Dylan style of generic-function based "OO"
<s720> ok
<s720> It's just that I'm "smoothing" out TOOL, and suddenly there is a whole bunch of object models to choose from
<Fare> TMF: oh, and if you built a database of the best articles, that'd be great!
<s720> for example, should objects have explisit structure?
<s720> and should classes have state ?
11:20am
<s720> yeah, I've started setting up a list, but I'm afraid it will require too much research time :(
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<Fare> TMF: /msg nickserv help
<TMF> I type it, and lots of helpfull (probably) information falshes on my screen and is lost somewhere in space ( just over my monitor ).
<Fare> uh?
<TMF> well, my name is not that big a deal
11:30am
<Fare> what do you type?
<Fare> try ESC p
<TMF> don't remember, it's somewhere up there I guess
<TMF> what should I type?
<Fare> scroll your window upwards!
<TMF> It's lost
<Fare> RIP
<TMF> I'm just looking at tunes:Re:Priorities. What's your view on altering binary data?
<TMF> I mean, I can cause desasters
<TMF> I mean, I mean, _it_ can cause disasters
<Fare> oops, gotta go
π Fare/#Tunes is away (dinner)
<Fare> altering binary data is ok if you know what you do
<Fare> it's not a priority to develop a complex theory of what it means exactly
<Fare> but eventually, we should be able to do it
<Fare> really gotta go
π Fare/#Tunes is away
<TMF> se ya
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11:40am
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<hcf> hoy tcn
<tcn> hey
12:40pm
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<tcn> netsplit?
<hcf> Quit (tolkien.openprojects.net asprin.openprojects.net)
<tcn> heh, I just happened to be on asprin
<tcn> I'm trying to download CMUCL here.. damn the net is slow these days
<tcn> I heard online stock trading was getting way outta hand, overloading nets..
<tcn> As if stupid web-page images and music weren't enough
<hcf> the prob is, the net serves all ppl
12:50pm
<hcf> i believe in segregation
<hcf> aols on one side
<hcf> us on the other
<hcf> aols etc r shitting wher we eat
<tcn> yeah, the bastards
<hcf> a new internet should be started for just linux users
<tcn> A radio network sounds like a good idea
<hcf> tcn: how r the new tunes docs coming?
<tcn> not good
<hcf> how so?
<tcn> oh, just been busy
01:00pm
<tcn> I guess the FAQ and the glossary are most important
<hcf> ur prototype is too
<tcn> oh yeah, that's more important :)
<tcn> I should put my half-finished stuff online
<tcn> btw, my glossary scripts are in ~tcn/glossary, world-readable
<hcf> abi hit the 1000 factoids mark!
<hcf> abi: status
<abi> Since Thu Jan 14 18:40:02 1999, there have been 324 modifications and 82 questions.  I have been awake for 6 days, 18 hours, 25 minutes, 23 seconds this session, and currently reference 1001 factoids.
<tcn> heh, and I bet half of em are bullshit :)
<hcf> at least half
<hcf> and 'heh, and I bet half of em => bullshit :)' was just added to db-are ;)
<tcn> yep
<tcn> abi, I bet half of em?
<abi> i haven't a clue, tcn
<hcf> heh, and I bet half of em?
<abi> heh, and I bet half of em are bullshit :)
<tcn> haha
<tcn> what?
<tcn> yesterday she said something really whacked
<hcf> like what?
<tcn> like this..
<tcn> you what?
<tcn> You what?
<abi> You are much more productive when you don't have to even *think* about placing icons on my desktop
<tcn> that's it :)
<hcf> heh
01:10pm
<tcn> yesterday she said what?
<tcn> at least she didn't get that
<tcn> allright, got CMUCL finally
<hcf> huray! i ges
01:20pm
<tcn> yeah, now I'm downloading a book about it :)
<tcn> And then, I'll download the ANSI standard, in case I want to write my own CL interpreter
<tcn> nah, I'll just make it up as I go along :)
<tcn> hcf, what OS are you using now?
<hcf> whys it matter?
<tcn> Just wondering
<hcf> cp/m
<tcn> hey, I can find out even if you don't tell me :)
01:30pm
<tcn> holy crap, I'm not downloading that!
<tcn> the ANSI standard for LISP \is like 15 megs
<hcf> where?
01:40pm
<tcn> from the Review page
<tcn> hmm, I think I'll go with debian 2.1
<tcn> I hate upgrading Linux.. takes too long
<tcn> better than windoze though
01:50pm
<tcn> you use Xwindows? what's your favorite window manager?
<hcf> no X
<tcn> I avoid X when I can :)
02:00pm
<tcn> I've been hoping to find a WM that's not bloat, but does more than, say, twm
<hcf> perhaps icewm
<tcn> yeah, haven't tried that yet.
π Fare/#Tunes is back - Gakuk!
<tcn> I've used windowmaker a little, it also seems decent
<tcn> que pasa, Fare?
<Fare> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root      1382481 Feb  8  1936 docs/HyperSpec-3-0.tar.bz2
<tcn> ahh, 15 megs uncompressed
<tcn> that's smaller than that book on CL I just downloaded :)
π Fare/#Tunes uses scwm
<tcn> Scheme WM?
<Fare> yup
<tcn> what's the new GNU wm? gnome?
<tcn> Fare, CLOS is an integral part of CL?
<tcn> abi, Fare, CLOS?
<abi> Fare, CLOS is, like, an integral part of CL
<tcn> abi, forget Fare, CLOS
<abi> tcn: I forgot fare, clos
02:10pm
<Fare> abi is also xyvarestoplik
<abi> okay, Fare.
<Fare> abi
<abi> yes, Fare?
<Fare> abi: abi?
<abi> i think i am the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or an infoslut or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik
<Fare> good girl, abi!
<Fare> tcn: gnome recommends Enlightenment
<tcn> I heard E was slow though
<tcn> gnome isn't a WM?
<Fare> nope
<Fare> abi: gnome
<abi> gnome is, like, crap
<Fare> abi: forget gnome
<abi> Fare: I forgot gnome
<Fare> abi: GNOME?
<abi> no idea, fare
<hcf> abi: scwm is scheme window manager at http://huis-clos.mit.edu/scwm/
<Fare> abi: GNOME is GNU's Network Object Model Environment at http://www.gnome.org/
<Fare> abi: Nyarlathotep?
<abi> fare: wish i knew
<tcn> haha
<tcn> maybe you spelled it wrong :)
<tcn> abi, what's flurivostuginuous?
<abi> tcn: i don't know
<Fare> I *never* spell anything wrong!
<Fare> Sometimes, the rest of the world does, however.
<tcn> hey fare, what Linux dist do you use?
<Fare> something like RH 5.0 on steroids
<Fare> maybe even 5.1 on steroids
<Fare> which is Manhattan?
<tcn> I dunno, I've only used slackware and debian lately
02:20pm
<Fare> anyone good at theoretical CS, around?
<tcn> maybe
<tcn> what did you have in mind?
<Fare> help me with that fscking article I'm writing.
02:30pm
<Fare> or more generally, talking theory
<tcn> metaprogramming, reflection?
<Fare> among other things
<tcn> I can give it a try :)
<Fare> btw, did you read my previous article?
<Fare> do you have an account on bespin?
<tcn> yup
<Fare> ~fare/fare/lambdaND.tex
<Fare> (together with *.sty, *.cls, *.bib)
<Fare> compiles under tetex
<tcn> .html?
<Fare> html won't do, unless you run latex2html or so
<tcn> I'll be sure to install all this latex, bibtex, etc when I install Debian 2.1.. :)
<Fare> (hevea gives very bad results on this one)
<Fare> what are you using?
<tcn> an older, patched-up, slackware..
<tcn> whoa, cool, someone at Debian got all these math programs to compile (I never could :)
02:40pm
<Fare> math programs?
<Fare> btw, when I register in inquisitive websites, I use president@whitehouse.gov as email. Maybe that'll help spam go out!
<tcn> haha
<Fare> what's the birthdate of Mr Prez?
<tcn> Yeah, there's all these Maple/Mathematica clones, which I'd like to have but can't compile. And I don't want that kind of thing bad enough to pay for Maple or Mathematica :)
<tcn> Clinton, I dunno..
<tcn> I'm just sick of hearing about him. They don't talk about his personal life all the time in France, do they?
<Fare> did he have sex with his wife?
<Fare> or is she the only woman in the states to not have had this dubious priviledge?
<hcf> Fare: at least once, producing chelsea
<tcn> that's not for certain
<Fare> maybe that was an experimental mistake
π Fare/#Tunes really hates these "website designers" who put ugly small fonts on their site -- that's unreadable!
<tcn> or ugly colors like yellow on white
<Fare> let's go back to lynx!
<tcn> hey, I wonder hwat sirc is? Scheme-based irc?
<hcf> what i dont like is, "click here for more" wherein "here" is the anchor text
<tcn> I AM using lynx, as much as possible
<hcf> to know what the link is for, one much read the paragraph around the link
<hcf> not just the link text
<Fare> I'm considering using w3, once I understand how to not stop the whole of XEmacs while browsing...
<tcn> maybe you can't not stop it
<tcn> I wonder if Grail is any good now
<Fare> it's not multithreaded, by I've heard there were ways to have it smoother than just "hanging"
<Fare> Grail?
<tcn> heh, queso is included in Debian :)
<Fare> the russian stuff?
<Fare> queso?
<abi> queso is an os detector at http://www.apostols.org/projectz/queso/
02:50pm
<tcn> There was a web browser called Grail. I think it was written in Python.
<Fare> oh
<tcn> When I tried it, it had most of what netscape has, just slower
<Fare> there's also MMM, written in ocaml
<Fare> ah
<tcn> oh yeah, I gotta try CAML
<Fare> do you know what bib ref to cite about deBruijn indices, and/or lambda-calculus as a graph-reduction calculus?
03:00pm
<tcn> nope
π Fare/#Tunes considers buying a NetWinder or a Qube, or something like that, for his home LAN
<tcn> what are those, hubs?
<Fare> servers
<Fare> based on Linux
<Fare> ask freshmeat about them
<tcn> how many computers you got there?
<Fare> let's see.
<Fare> What do you count as a computer?
<Fare> is a HP28 a computer, to you?
<tcn> uhhh
<tcn> nah, that's a calculator
<Fare> I got one 6x86@150MHz; my dad got a PII300; my mom a PBG3 series; my sister the old Mac68k; my dad also got this old T2400CT laptop, and I borrowed a T4700CT from work, as well as a DELL laptop.
<tcn> and they're all on the net?
<tcn> What's a PBG3 anyway?
<Fare> PowerBook G3
<Fare> crap stuff from Apple
<Fare> runs under MockAss
<tcn> So you've got a 150 (I have a P133).. that means you won't like bloated shit too much :)
<tcn> I hate it when people tell me my new computer is too old
03:10pm
<Fare> I love bloated shit -- when it's flushed down the toilet, as it deserves.
<tcn> ok, I've downloaded enough of Debian to install it, I think. GCC, BitchX, Lynx, NcFTP, mail stuff.. 
03:20pm
<tcn> hey, can I get mozilla without java now?
<tcn> dammit, the net is slowing down!
<Fare> you forogt LaTeX...
<Fare> tcn is *always* w/o java
<Fare> (until someone integrates Kaffe or such in it)
<tcn> cool, mozilla is included in debian.. 3 megs, cool.
<tcn> I'll get latex later
<tcn> See ya in a bit, when I get debian installed.
<Fare> maybe I should get debian, when it's stable again...
<tcn> since when is redhat stable?
<tcn> I hope debian 2.1 isn't too unstable :)
03:30pm
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<Fare> redhat has always been stable -- mostly no problem installing.
<Fare> well, not so true -- like sendmail hanging for DNS if you didn't install everything, or such
<Fare> also, RH5.2 won't install on these old Toshibas, and has missing files for french localization
<Fare> but 5.0 was quite stable.
03:40pm
<Fare> elmz
<Fare> oops
03:50pm
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<hcf> hoy Beholder
<Beholder> Hello
<abi> bonjour, Beholder
<Beholder> So how is everyone tonight?
04:00pm
<abi> i'm peechy, how are you?
<Beholder> Not too bad.  Anyone notice how slow it got when school resumed? :)  Kinda makes me think that most of the UniOS members (and Tunes) are College/University/High School students
<Fare> abi: shuddup, you bot!
π Fare/#Tunes is racist -- only likes human beings
<abi> Fare: bite me!
π Fare/#Tunes bites abi
<abi> :)
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04:10pm
<abi> :P
<Beholder> Fare:  The server that was donated for the projects is running Red Hat 5.1, is it secure?
<Fare> which projects?
<Beholder> UniOS and Tunes... my school donated a server.  Did Tril tell you?
<Fare> no, he didn't. Your school? What scholol is that? How did you convince them?
<Fare> I guess RH5.1 is secure, if you configure it well, and do security upgrades
<Beholder> We have a fairly advanced networking structure at Cambrain College (Ontario, Canada), so I decided to ask if I could get a server put up before the firewall.  They said I'd have to get faculty support, and the guy I asked already had a Red Hat box running, so he's letting me use his.  I should have it by Friday.  PII-333 128mb RAM, 6.4 G storage, 2 Mbps Fiber connection.   Sweet little thing :)
<Beholder> What Linux do you run?
<Beholder> I want something similar to bespin or yours
<Fare> RH5.1 on steroids
04:20pm
<Beholder> Actually the machine is being re-installed (due to changing all the hardware to the new set), and we're putting RH 5.2 on
<Beholder> The college only uses 4 ip addresses (in the entire class C they own), so I think I can get about 5 IP's without a problem, if it's necessary
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<Fare> only 4 IP addresses? like, masquerading a lot?
<Beholder> I've only ever used slakware, so I'm not too familar with RH
<Fare> RH is mucho better than slackware
<Fare> I was a SLS then slackware user, long ago
<Beholder> The whole damn college (400+ computers) is run through a single firewall (specially modified, nearly unhackable freeBSD box)
<Fare> good
<Beholder> Every single packet runs through the firewall, into a single IP.  The other 3 IP's are currently allocated for my box, the cambrian Web page, and someone elses box
<Fare> cambrian web page?
<Beholder> http://www.cambrianc.on.ca/
<Beholder> The web server has to be outside the firewall
<Fare> ok
<Fare> what college is that?
<Beholder> So does the box, otherwise we have very very little access to anything (almost every port is shutdown from the outside)
<Fare> will the server remain when you leave?
<Fare> can you cvs check{in,out} ???
<Beholder> Yes, the server will remain mine, as I will be concidered "Cambrian Exceptional Student" 
<Beholder> Like I said, nothing through the firewall... thats why I positioned the box outside the firewall
<Fare> ouch, so you couldn't access bespin 's CVS stuff?
<Beholder> Nope, I can't do anything when I am there.  Thats why I want this box :)
<Fare> and between that box and the rest of the college?
<Beholder> I can telnet into the box (the Telnet port is open) and then telnet to bespin (telneting directly to bespin wouldn't work)
<Fare> you can use fwprc :)
<Beholder> fwprc?
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π Beholder/#tunes believes after 3 years of running 95, he almost knows how to get it running stable
<Fare> the best way to get it stable is to not run it!
<Beholder> fwprc is linux script/perl/c programs?
<Beholder> Can Red Hat be installed FTP?
<Fare> yes
<Fare> sure
04:40pm
<Beholder> What firewalls has fwprc been successful with so far?
<Fare> any that allows you to telnet thru (or otherwise let packets thru)
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<Beholder> Hmm, I think port 80, 110 are open from the outside
<Beholder> Fare: Have you talked with the Prisim guy yet?  He seems to be developing a similar system to Tunes (minus the OS part)  
<Fare> Prism? not yet
<Fare> I'm backlogged in e-mail
<Fare> can you telnet outside?
<Fare> or even, just to that open machine?
<Fare> if yes, then, you can have full internet access on your machine!
<Beholder> When I am inside the college I can telnet out, but I cannot telnet into any machine beyond the firewall.  So I guess port 21 is open also
<Fare> you mean, port 23
<Fare> well, then you can access the whole internet from a machine inside, with fwprc
<Beholder> Yes 23 :)
<Fare> you could do reverse firewall-piercing, too, but then it's more dangerous
<Fare> and I haven't really tested it, either, but it should work
<Beholder> How does this technique work?
04:50pm
<Fare> why don't you first READ, then ask?
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<Fare> you think IRC is a faster, cheaper, more reliable, didactically better way to, express technical things than HOWTO???
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<Fare> yery: hello!
<yery> hello!
<Fare> do you know the TUNES project already? I guess so, but...
<Beholder> Where the hell is the HOWTO?
<yery> yes i read the maillist :)
<Fare> abi: HOWTO
<Fare> abi: HOWTOs
π Beholder/#tunes appologizes, but he is useless when it comes to Unix file formats
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<Fare> abi: HOWTOs are at http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/
<Fare> corey!!!!!
<me> hey fare :)
<me> how's it goin?
<Fare> is it you, or is it me?
05:00pm
<me> it's me :)
<me> you been keepin busy?
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<Beholder> gotta go, trying out red hat 5.2 :)  
<Fare> I been keepin procrastinatin'!
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<me> heh, that sounds like you fare :)
<Fare> Have I passed identifications tests?
<me> yep
<Fare> wow! I passed the Turing test!
<me> heh, it's not supposed to be a channenge for people to pass it fare ;)
<Fare> corey: have you read my article?
<me> which article is that?
05:10pm
<Fare> see on http://www.tunes.org/ for the announce
<Fare> gimme a system that deeply relies on its cinternal code representatino format (apart from Java, perhaps)
<Fare> REBOL?
<abi> REBOL is, like, not free
<Fare> needn't be free
<Fare> HOWTOs?
<abi> HOWTOs are at http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/
<Fare> abi: kiss you!
<Fare> Fare?
<abi> you are utter <censored>
<Fare> Tril?
<abi> Tril is not the one to ask about red hat, not having used it yet
<Fare> me?
<abi> you are probably utter <censored>
<Fare> Turing?
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<me> found the english translation of it...
05:20pm
<me> cool.  I'll read it when i get a chance
05:30pm
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<me> ok, i read a chunk of it, it looks interesting
<Fare> you can send a patch file for bad english...
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<me> heh, i'm not too concerned about the english... i'm more concerned about the concepts 
<me> not that i have any disagreements.... yet ;)
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05:40pm
<Fare> I'm concerened about both :)
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<me> *chuckle*
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<me> say, if i wanted some persistance for some functions in scheme, would the slib database be a good way to good way of going about it?
<_QZ> so did sun stop funding unc.edu? 
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05:50pm
<Fare> dunno
<Fare> what kind of persistance?
<Fare> RScheme offers pretty good persistence of data
<Fare> or else, you might try PLOB on CommonLISP
<Fare> if you want persistence of code and/or closures, that's another thing, now
<_QZ> me: what r u doing?
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<me> i'm trying to figure out a way of saving a array of functions after i type them into guile.
<me> (has to be guile cause of the gtk hooks)
<Fare> type them into emacs in guile mode!
<me> then go back and erase all guile responces, then paste it at the beginning of the next session?
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ωνω Topic for #TUNES: What have you done with your dreams?
ωνω topic set by _QZ [Thu Jan 21 17:36:44 1999]
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[ TUNES     ] [ _QZ       ] [ me        ] [ yery      ] [ abi       ] 
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ωνω Channel #TUNES was created at Wed Dec 30 09:08:43 1998
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-lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  Please bear with us for the next few weeks, lilo 2.0 will be arriving soon.  CURRENT DEVELOPMENT STATS:  Delivery projected ahead of schedule.  Dilation: 3cm. 1cm. into station.
-lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] BTW, That's 'Lilo the Person 2.0', not 'LiLO the Program 2.0'
<me> when i do
<me> when
<Fare> uh?
<me> when i do a "guile-run-scheme" it gives the output and input in the same buffer.
<Fare> then do something else
<Fare> at least, in scwm-mode, I can separate input and output
<me> interesting... i have no scwm-mode
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<me> where'd fare go?
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<tcn> set auto_away off :)
<Tril> that wasn't auto away
<Tril> what's up
<tcn> oh. I just installed BX, so I had to do that
<tcn> I installed debian 2.1, well, some of it
<Tril> uh. is that out?
<Tril> you can download it before it's out?
<tcn> It's frozen, almost 'stable'. 2.2 is available too, but that's bleeding edge, I guess
<Tril> do they have cvs, or how do you get them?
<me> tril: you can auto-install through dselect
<me> when updates are available your just a couple keys away from installing them all (don't even need to know what packages are getting updated if you don't want)
<Tril> me: do you like debian better than redhat?
<me> much
<Tril> I haven't tried either one..gonna try both soon
<Tril> I guess I could install redhat right now..
<me> if you have a couple floppies & a net connection you could install debian.  (just the base disks go on the floppies, the big stuff you pull from the net
<me> )
<Tril> can it resume if my modem hangs up?
<tcn> yeah
<Tril> like getright?
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<Tril> no reason to wait that long..I'll just get it at the wcug installfest a week from Saturday
<me> yes it will resume.  
<me> tril: is bespin a company?
<tcn> haha
<Tril> me: Nope it is my hobby server run in my spare time. I am doing volunteer work for the ISP in retrn for colocation (but I cant make any money from it)
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<me> i was curious as why so many people were hanging off that address
07:10pm
<Tril> ML.ORG or bespin.ml.org?
<me> bespin
<me> i know why everyone uses ml.org :)
<Tril> TUNES is an irc session I have just to log the channel (you can find the logs in /pub/irc on bespin), and abi is an infobot run by hcf off his bespin account.
<me> *chuckle*
<me> where can i find tunes?
<abi> tunes is, like, in my head or tunes is a useful nevertheless expedient system. or at http://tunes.org/
<me> abi is at #tunes on irc.linpeople.org
<me> where can i find abi?
<abi> hmmm... i am the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or an infoslut or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik
<me> dam
<me> heh
<tcn> all the things people said about her :)
<me> i like that responce better
<tcn> but you have to say "abi is ALSO this and that"
<tcn> hey, I wonder if she picked up that line?
<me> where can i find abi?
<abi> i am the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or an infoslut or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik
<tcn> abi, but you have to say "abi?
<abi> tcn: no idea
<me> i like whoevers idea it was to give her that "personality"
<tcn> haha.. dselect says my ETA is like 8h12m23s
<me> heh.  new install?
<me> or have you not been updating regularly? :)
<tcn> Yeah.. grabbing 40 megs this time ;)
07:20pm
<Tril> how do yo choose what version to install in dselect?
<Tril> if I  installed 2.0 could i upgrade it when 2.1 is released?
<Tril> without rebooting?
<me> when you configure where do download from 
<me> yes you could
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<_QZ> Tril: u need to get some code done on tunes man
<Tril> hey I'm playing with my new hard drive
<_QZ> i am getting so close to having a working system that its orgasmic
<_QZ> :)
<tcn> new hard drive? I need one of them
<_QZ> i got too many new hdds
<me> Aiee: scheduling in interrupt 0011cda5
<me> eth0: Bus master arbitration failure, status 88f2.
<me> Couldn't get a free page.....                        
<me> that can't be good
<Tril> tcn: www.pricewatch.com
<_QZ> i just paid $278 for a dual p2 board
<_QZ> it left texas at 1pm today
<tcn> gotta test that SMP
<_QZ> tcn: ah ya :)
<tcn> Nickserv killed?
<_QZ> i doubt it would show up tomorrow, but i should have it monday
07:30pm
<Tril> I think I'll set up a shadow partition system :)
<me> shadow parition?
<Tril> some partitions wont be visible until I rewrite the MBR with dd
<Tril> back up my mbr and restore new partition tables without reformatting
<_QZ> i just thought of a great feature for brix email. im gonna have a button called 'spam' that will forward the email/headers to an email address like 'spam@your.isp'
<_QZ> it will forward and delete all-in-one click
<me> i gotta reboot cause of a kernel bug
<tcn> uhh, what kernel version? ;)
<_QZ> ya tell us what kernel so we can stay away from it
<tcn> I'll avoid it like the plague
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<_QZ> its probably a bug in his eth driver
<me> 2.0.35
<tcn> I hope our OS's never get that buggy
<_QZ> 1 bug per 1000 lines of code
<me> QZ: yeah, it happenes whever i'm using the lance card a ton
<_QZ> win98 has 27,000 bugs, brix has 10
07:40pm
<me> QZ: but you only have 10 lines of code ;)
<_QZ> 10,000
<me> yeah, actually tell me, how far allong are you?
<_QZ> brix is at the orgasmic status
<tcn> It's actually running?
<_QZ> it always runs
<me> orgasmic = self-hosting?
<_QZ> self-hosting?
<ultima_> Hehehehe
07:50pm
<ultima_> *** Build of LaTeX sources complete
<me> is brix a OS?
<me> or a mail program?
<_QZ> OS
<_QZ> brix?
<abi> brix is a free portable protected preemptive pervasive-multithreading multiuser object-oriented high-speed distributed operating system located at http://www.qzx.com/brix
<_QZ> ack, add persistant to that
<tcn> brix is also persistent
<tcn> brix?
<abi> i guess brix is persistent
<_QZ> damn u
<tcn> wtf?
<abi> wtf is this crap
<_QZ> im trying to add it to abi
<me> self-hosting means that you can do your development work under brix.... i.e. you can run brix 100% of the time without ever having to leave it
<me> (in order to develop brix.... dosn't have to run apps :)
<_QZ>           located atmultiuser object-oriented high-speed distributed operating system
<_QZ> ugh
<me> brix?
<abi> it has been said that brix is a free portable protected preemptive pervasive-multithreading multiuser object-oriented high-speed distributed operating system
<me> dammit:  Note that some el-cheapo motherboards can have trouble with the bus-
<me>   mastering that the ISA Lance cards do
<_QZ> ok now abi has the right def
<_QZ> ISA???
<_QZ> u have isa eth0?
<me> yes... at the time i bought it, the pci cards gave no performance advantage over the ISA ones
<me> i'll need to switch to a ne2000 :)
<me> (clone)
<_QZ> well my isa n2000 cards get like 350kB/s
<_QZ> my pci ne2000 cards get 1.1meg/s
<me> yes they do now days... but when i bought the ISA card, there were only like 2 PCI cards in existance
08:00pm
<me> reboot.... byebye
<me> '
<tcn> later
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<_QZ> can gcc do a flat binary?
<tcn> hmm..
<tcn> It can do XCOM modules
<tcn> Maybe we could make BCC run under our OS's
<tcn> s/BCC/LCC/
<_QZ> Small C
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<ultima_> sigh
08:10pm
<tcn> anyone get 'open' to work?
<Tril> open in what?
<_QZ> open?
<_QZ> "How could [Y2K] be a problem in a country where we have Intel and Microsoft?"
<_QZ>              -Al "Forrest" Gore
<tcn> It opens an unused VC and runs a program on it, so you don't have to login to every VC you wanna use
<tcn> qz: wasn't he being a little sarcastic?
<Tril> haven't used that, it's not in slackware
<tcn> well it works with 'echo' but not 'bash'.. wtf..
08:30pm
π Tril/#TUNES tries 1 inode per 128Kb
π tcn/#tunes wonders why dselect is downloading emacs19 AND emacs20...
<Tril> ahh I can have up to 64 partitions per drive in linux
<ultima_> Tril - how?
<Tril> I was looking at the minor device numbers. Each ide drive gets 64 minor numbers for its partitions before the next ide drive starts.
<Tril> all ide drives are major 3
<ultima_> heheeh
<ultima_> but there is no known partitioning scheme that supports 64parts/drive
<ultima_> (Actually, I wonder if you could pull that off with logical...)
<Tril> I'm sure fdisk can do it, but I dont' want to type that many in
<ultima_> well
<ultima_> not sure how many parts logical supports
<ultima_> if logical cant do it then it cant be done
<ultima_> because Sun/BSD support 8
09:00pm
<Tril> ok, I typed them in.. cfdisk is glitching up when I get to /dev/hdb63
<ultima_> heh
<Tril> cfdisk only lets me create 64 total partitions on the drive (primaries+extended+logicals)
<Tril> I ran fdisk and it said "warning deleting partitions after 60"
<tcn> only :)
<ultima_> Yeah I thought so you cant get 64 parts
<Tril> I can get 63 though. the 64th only can't be used because it has to be for the "extended" dummy partition
<tcn> Only 1.5 hours left to download debian
<Tril> and that does use up all 64 minur numbers
<tcn> woohoo
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<Tril> that's a lot of very small partitions :)
<Tril> tcn does it install and let you configure the packages while they are downloading? multithreaded?
<tcn> Tril: No, only when it's done
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