IRC log started Sat Jan  9 00:00:01 1999
[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0109
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<Tril> hey tcn..
<tcn> what's up?
<abi> i think up is underground piano
<tcn> forget up
<abi> tcn: I forgot up
<Tril> read yer mail
<Tril> I'm gonna go try clementine on my mom's computer now. brb
<tcn> Oh yeah, I did some more work on that "object=function" thing last night
<tcn> I'm gonna try implementing it now.. the idea is concrete enough.
<Tril> ehh?
<tcn> Hey, can you send me a binary of clementine?
<Tril> you still did not read your email...I already gave you one
<tcn> oh :)
<Tril> what is this idea of object/functions?
<tcn> umm, lemme clear my head.
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<tcn> hello bineng
<binEng> hi
<binEng> How come there is absolutely no traffic on the mlist?
<tcn> tril: One day I was thinking how constructors & destructors (as in C++) probably aren't necessary..
<Tril> hi binEng.  which mlist?
<Tril> tcn: Fare uses the terms constructor/destructor very differently from their meaning in C++
<binEng> Tril: any
<Tril> his use is from algebra theory in mathematics
10:40am
<tcn> tril: Actually, I wanted to turn functions and variables into objects, not objects into functions, but the result is the same
<Tril> I hope people stop posting and get to work :)  I know I have better things to do than chat all day through email.
<tcn> tril: hell yeah
<binEng> Tril; like what
<Tril> tcn: I don't understand what "objects into functions" would be, exactly..
<tcn> tril: You'll see when I write it ;)
<Tril> binEng: like writing those papers you wanted on the page...
<binEng> ic
<Tril> commenting on Fare's article...
<binEng> what article?
<Tril> bE: Fare wrote an article for a French conference on free software Jan 25, and finally translated it to English and is asking for comments.
<tcn> If I simply get back to work, it'll be finished soon
<Tril> It's about metaprogramming.
<binEng> url?
<Tril> binEng: if you want to read it, go to Fare's directory on bespin after you get your account and read it with "less".
<Tril> Or you can convert it to some other format, if you can
<Tril> I don't think you told me what login you wanted yet.
<tcn> hey tril, how's the project list?
<Tril> Hmm, looks like Fare created an account for someone
<Tril> tcn: ah haven't worked on it since Thursday
<tcn> hehe
<Tril> tcn: if you want to help, try creating the same account again, see if it complains that it already exists. (it should)
<tcn> Well, I'm gonna get outta winblows and start Linux, and try clementine..
<Tril> I don't think caps are a good idea on a Unix system
<Tril> would you mind having all lower-case login?
<binEng> that's fine
10:50am
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<Tril> where do you want the new web pages to reside (Url-wise)?
<binEng> they will finally reside in the root, but while developing them, they could be in /new/ or something... 
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<Tril> ROOT????  brb
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<binEng> tril: ok, I'm in
<Tril> ahh.. ftp.. are you looking for fare's document?
<binEng> among other things
11:00am
<Tril> I think the file is /users/fare/fare/cnet/ll99/mpfas.tex
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<macgyver> Hi, all!!
<Tril> hi macgyver
<Tril> did you find your problem with the LOCK prefix?
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<macgyver> Tril, hi!!
<Tril> wb tcn
<tcn> I sent ya some mail Tril
<macgyver> The PC EMULATOR, is really great !!
<tcn> oui
<macgyver> I it working very well!!
<macgyver> I am testing my OS with it, it runs yet in PMODE !!
<Tril> great!
<macgyver> is very good for debugging !!
<macgyver> Tril, you have it installed on your linux system ??
<Tril> No, I have never installed bochs... not yet
<Tril> brb, trying clementine
<tcn> I'm gonna try clementine in bochs
<tcn> clementine said my 486 had 1976 MB memory, and died :)
<binEng> tcn: I don't think you should give it up too fast... that much memory must be great :)
11:10am
<Tril> My mom's computer seems to have 3775 MB of memory for the first time.
<Tril> still doesn't work
<macgyver> tcn you want to try my OS 1.44 FILE on it ??
<binEng> What can I use to read .tex files for "real"?
<tcn> LaTeX
<Tril> tcn: have you used latex?
<tcn> in bochs, clementine reports 16 MB (which is right), but still crashes after showing ".." (no heart symbol)
<tcn> tril: nope
<Tril> I never got a ..
<Tril> me neither
<macgyver>  tcn you want to try my OS 1.44 FILE on it ??
<tcn> Now that I have a good modem, maybe I can download latex in a reasonable amount of time
<tcn> mac: ok
<tcn> mac: don't send me the whole 1.44M image though!
<macgyver> ok
<Tril> tcn: your boot image worked as you said
<tcn> tril: cool
<binEng> tril: where do the html files I upload land? (url)
<binEng> and where can I get LaTeX?
<macgyver> send tcn test.144
<Tril> binEng: if you put in ~/html, they are in www2.tunes.org/~bineng/
<macgyver> how i can send the file, tcn ??
<tcn> bineng: metalab.unc.edu or tsx-11.mit.edu
11:20am
<tcn> mac: /dcc send tcn test.144
<macgyver> I dont' remember the cmdline!!
<tcn> mac: Hey, I gotta get off the phone, do it later
<tcn> later
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<binEng> Do I have to change the permission of the files too?
<Tril> binEng: make sure it's world readable, and it'll be ok
<binEng> umm ok, remind me how to do that
<Tril> ls -l, it should look like rw-r--r--
<Tril> the third r-- means world can read
<binEng> oups
<Tril> it should already say that but if not type chmod o+r filename
<binEng> ok, it is world readable, but I still can't access it throu the www
<Tril> binEng: you need to set your home directory to be executable by world.  chmod 711 ~
<Tril> that allows them to cd through it
π binEng/#tunes discovers he has absolutely no experience with unix
<Tril> then it should work
11:30am
<binEng> ok, it works. tnx
<Tril> binEng: do you want me to set it so any tunes member can also write that directory? We could just use your html/ for working on the new page for now.
<binEng> ok
<macgyver> any one here have some knowledge about ASM INLINE in GCC ??
<Tril> not me
<macgyver> some one ??
<Tril> I think everyone uses NASM
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<Tril> tcn: I'm going to try recompiling clementine with the latest binutils.  binutils are compiling now
<macgyver> I use it too and have the protected mode switch good...
<macgyver> but I want to make the 32-Bit protected Mode Kernel in GCC!!
<Tril> well, I don't know how to do that, you might want to ask in another channel like #linpeople or something.
<macgyver> and the variables aren't swapped into inline statements
11:40am
<macgyver> Where is the GNU site??
<Tril> http://www.gnu.org/server/list-mirrors.html
<macgyver> thanks
<macgyver> gcc docs ??
<macgyver> others than GCC HOWTO !!
11:50am
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<Tril> yes, you can find GNU docs . they have links to it on the gnu site.
<Tril> What's IA32?
<tcn> tril, clementine worked on my pentium
<tcn> IA32 is Intel Architecture 32-bit
<Tril> I compiled it on a pentium. Maybe it somehow didn't use 486 code because of that.
<tcn> I think it's just buggy :)
<tcn> I bet when it detects too much memory, it screws up the page tables, and nothing works
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<Tril> on the pentium, did it print the correct amount of memory at the beginning?
<tcn> That part went by too fast, before my monitor could sync
<Tril> tcn: Try ~tcn/fdimage.new
<Tril> I just compiled it with the later version of binutils
<tcn> tril: chown tcn fdimage.new ;)
<Tril> OK...done
<tcn> firing up the 486...
<tcn> Same thing as before :(
<tcn> oh well, between like 4 prototypes, we'll get it right
<tcn> lesse, there's brix, clementine, KUT, retro (mine)...
<Tril> didn't work
<tcn> Can you think of any other "tunes prototypes" besides those 4?
π Tril/#tunes laughs at the notion of brix as a tunes prototype
<tcn> well, brix is similar.. it's just that nobody's seen it :)
<Tril> low level ones , no. but I like TML, prism, and Arrow from what I know so far (which is not much).
<tcn> tml?
12:00pm
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<Tril> It's a working metatranslator.. but I don't understand how to use it. If you want a copy, you can e-mail Thomas M. Farrelly <s720@ii.uib.no>. It has the same distribution restrictions as clementine
<binEng> gotta go
<Tril> no docs, but he said he'd answer questions about it
<tcn> later bineng
<Tril> I haven't had time to come up with any yet.   
<Tril> bye!!
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<tcn> I should just focus on my own project for now.
<tcn> I'm feeling wide awake.. I'm gonna sign off, and go write that v86 handler.
<tcn> ..and promptly fall asleep trying ;)
<Tril> 9812/msg0004.html is  the start of the thread about it
<Tril> sorry, 00004
<tcn> ok
<Tril> there was more of a thread, but it was private
<Tril> yeah time to logoff and do something.
<tcn> adios
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<Tril> hey, what did you do in Clementine?
<Tril> err
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12:10pm
!lilo:*! Can someone refresh my memory on the GLINE command format? :)
!netgod:*! /quote gline +poor.victims.host 3600 : death to spammers
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<FareWell> Gakuk!
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<tcn> whats up QZ?
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10:00pm
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